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For example, proposed legilsation in the Sudan.
• Gays and lesbians convicted of having gay sex would be sentenced, at minimum, to life in prison
• People who test positive for HIV may be executed
• Homosexuals who have sex with a minor, or engage in homosexual sex more than once, may also receive the death penalty
• The bill forbids the “promotion of homosexuality,” which in effect bans organizations working in HIV and AIDS prevention
• Anyone who knows of homosexual activity taking place but does not report it would risk up to three years in prison
Wow. Yep, just kill them off those evil doers, that will stop it! But it doesn’t end there unfortunately.
It applies even to Ugandans participating in same-sex acts in countries where such behavior is legal.
“They are supposed to be brought back to Uganda and convicted here. The government is putting homosexuality on the level of treason,” Mugisha said.
Lawmakers have indicated that they will pass the bill before year’s end.
This legislation is supported by local religious leaders. The only reason this legislation exists is because of religious ideas and the demonizing of homosexuals.
Banning things doesn't make them go away, illegal drugs are the perfect example of that, so what this does is drive it further underground and make the behavior more dangerous.
Hey, think you might have HIV? Well, instead of getting tested and entering into treatment, you will now be executed for testing positive. Think anyone will ever get tested? This would actually lead to further the spread of HIV in Africa, which already has an HIV/AIDS epidemic. This is yet another example of the unintended consequences of government action, and the evil it does in the world.
There has been a Facebook Group created to opposed this sick government/religion action.
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And yet Harper, a Christian, has opposed this. I also quite doubt local religious leaders support this radical move.
As I stated in the post, some local religious leaders were entirely for this.
The CNN article says this...
"It has the blessing of many religious leaders -- Muslim and Christian -- in a country where a July poll found 95 percent opposed to legalizing homosexuality.
The Rev. Esau Omara, a senior church leader, said over the weekend that any lawmaker opposing the bill will pay for it during the next election, according to local newspaper reports."
And a leading Muslim cleric, Sheikh Ramathan Shaban Mubajje, has called for gays to be rounded up and banished to an island until they die.
The only reason legislation like this happens is because of religion.
And yet Hitler, an atheist, and Stalin, an atheist, also rounded up and killed gays. So how is religion to blame, again?
And I doubt the majority of the Christian leaders in the nation are supportive. Notice how the article say "many", not "most". Big different.
And there should be no surprise from the Muslim camp, the religion that is still in the Dark Ages.
"And yet Hitler, an atheist"
Wrong
"also rounded up and killed gays"
Not in the name of or becasue of athiesm. Besides, this is justa red herring on your part, we're talking about something else.
"So how is religion to blame, again?"
Because the reason that this is being done is becasue of religion.
"And I doubt the majority of the Christian leaders in the nation are supportive."
Does that really matter? It's being pushed through. From the article..
"It has the blessing of many religious leaders -- Muslim and Christian -- in a country where a July poll found 95 percent opposed to legalizing homosexuality."
Hitler WAS an atheist. Only an idiot or someone who hates religion would believe otherwise. Hitler pandered to extremists Christians to get elected, but he by no means believed in deities.
And it doesn't matter whether someone uses something as an excuse. Only if the excuse is valid does it make sense. The Christian religion does not support killing homosexuals, as far as its founder and modern thought is concerned. Frankly, neither does Islam.
Who its being pushed through by is what matters, not their reasoning. They can give every excuse they want, it isn't the religion that is responsible for the actions of individuals, unless that religion orders it explicitly.
Claiming religion is responsible for this sick act is like claiming the idea of National Socialism was responsible for the murder of millions of human beings. The idea didn't do it, people did. I have known you long enough to know that you apply a double standard when it comes to religion. You blame religion for just about everything when it comes to Christianity, but never blame any other ideology for its actions. You, and most other idealists I have met, are a hypocrite.
"Hitler WAS an atheist."
I'm not goign to re-hash this with you, you ignore the evidence and it doesn't really matter anyways and has nothing to do with the post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs#Hitler.27s_reaction_to_atheism
"The Christian religion does not support killing homosexuals"
Christians consider the Old Testament scripture. I quote...
Leviticus 20:13 NIV
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
"Claiming religion is responsible for this sick act"
What other reason is there?
"I'm not goign to re-hash this with you, you ignore the evidence and it doesn't really matter anyways and has nothing to do with the post."
Again you show Hitler pandering, not his actual religious beliefs. He had not. He was an atheist.
"Christians consider the Old Testament scripture. I quote...
Leviticus 20:13 NIV
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.""
They also believe that the New Testament overrides the Old Testament. Jesus taught to love those who are different, overriding the Old Testament.
And as I've shown with Hitler and Stalin, using religion as an excuse does not mean that the religion is responsible. Atheists do bad things all the time, just as much as those of religion do. Yet you won't blame atheism for their doing bad things. That is called hypocrisy, a double standard. Only when those of the religion show significantly higher levels of a negative trait can you say that the negative trait is a symptom of the religion. Both atheist nations and Christian nations are guilty of persecution of homosexuals. The only true example of a religion doing things bad is in Muslim nations, where just about every Muslim nation kills homosexuals.
You have to set aside your hatred of religion, because it blinds you.
Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to talk about the Climategate scandal. Your hypocrisy is ridiculous. Something goes wrong with religion, religion is evil. Cover up by atheist scientists, ignore it.
Stop being a hypocrite, question everything.
"He was an atheist."
What is your evidence for this claim?
You didn't answer my question. If not because of religion, then why would this sort of legislation be proposed and supported by religous leaders?
I can say Hitler was an atheist because of how he spoke against religion in private. It is what he said in private that matters, not what he said in public. In private, he spoke down on all religion.
As for the legislation against homosexuality, the question cannot be answered, because atheist dictatorships have also banned homosexuality, yet for some reason you claim atheism wasn't to blame. If religion or lack there of was not to blame in one circumstance, then it isn't to blame in the other.
Certainly, some religious leaders may have backed it, but it is the individual behind it that matters, not the religion, unless there are more cases of that religion leading to negative acts than another religious belief. Since there is little to no difference between hateful acts when it comes to a comparison between atheists and Christians (I argue that there are more hateful acts from atheists than Christians), then you can't blame the Christian religion, only the individual for taking his religion out of context.
"In private, he spoke down on all religion."
That doesn't make a person an athiest. Regardless, again, this is not related to the topic at hand.
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